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Attendance woes...
I've been seeing a lot of chatter about the attendance at the last couple of football games, and I thought it would make sense to talk a little bit about why the attendance is so mediocre and what can be done about it.
I think the attendance woes can be attributed to a few factors - 1) the team's generally awful past decade, 2) lack of local sports coverage, 3) gameday atmosphere and 4) marketing...
Follow me down the rabbit hole as we explore what's going on.
1) The Buddy Teevens/Walt Harris years - I don't think it is possible to underestimate just how devastating these years were to the program in terms of building up a fanbase. When I was at Stanford (late 90's early 00's) the team was relevant and games were an event. I still see people from my time at the school at games to this day. The team routinely drew enough people in the old stadium to fill the new one. However, I can't imagine that the same passion would've been stirred up by the hopeless teams that followed that time - I honestly can't blame the students one bit... I know my own interest waned significantly in that time, and I didn't have the distractions all around me like a student would.
Unfortunately, that means six years of alums who have less of an interest in the team. Some people from those years are definitely into the team now, but I believe the damage has been done. To top it off, those were the years that social media started taking off and those students were most likely to be using it. Unfortunately, there wasn't much to talk about. Heck, look at how long it took for SB Nation to find someone willing to run a Stanford blog?!?! (so glad this is here now though...)
2) Sports coverage - local papers (the Chronicle/Merc) are waking up to the team now because there is no way to avoid it when they are this good. Unfortunately, Stanford has played second fiddle locally for quite some time. We have the same problems as the Oakland A's in this area. In fact, we have the same radio carrier, which is NOT a good thing if you want to reach a large audience. The Chronicle has had someone dedicated to covering Cal this whole time, but no dedicated person for Stanford, and it shows... Jon Wilner has done a good job for the Mercury news, but he is tasked with covering the whole college scene. I go to Ted Miller's ESPN blog for Stanford news far more than I go to our local media outlets.. and that just seems strange (even if Ted's blog is excellent).
3) Gameday atmosphere - this is the biggie. Once someone goes to a game, there needs to be something to get the person to return. I believe the gameday atmosphere leaves much to be desired. It is great in the lower deck, especially in the corner where the students sit. Unfortunately, that is only a small portion of the stadium. By contrast, the upper deck is pretty sad.
There's a lot going on here, so let's look at the different issues...
Upper deck - I don't know if it is by design, but sound really doesn't appear to carry to the upper deck of the stadium. The students can be yelling as loud as they want, with the band playing as well, and it just doesn't carry, especially in the end zones. It takes a lot of effort to get a good "buzz" going around the whole stadium - when it is there it is awesome, and the single best reason to come back. Unfortunately, it is almost never there. This is in part due to:
Not involving everyone - in my years at Stanford we had the yell leaders. The yell leaders would attempt to get everyone in the stadium involved in cheering for the team, not just the student section. Now, the cheerleaders (based on what I can see) just don't do much. They certainly don't try to get people on the other side of the stadium to cheer. Get those people involved in the game! Sure, they should be able to do it for themselves... but there are a lot of older and younger folks in those stands that need a bit of encouragement. As an aside, it couldn't hurt bring back some of the cheers of old... You've never lived to you've heard a whole stadium chanting "Penetrate! Penetrate! Score! Score!"
The band - is the band having a difficult time recruiting members or does the athletic department limit how many people they can bring? They are a unique part of the game experience, but they are way too small in number to really be effective (we can barely hear them in the upper deck). Heck, opposing schools' travel bands are larger than the Stanford home one! How is that possible? The band can and should be a big part of the game experience, but outside of the halftime show, they are just not loud enough to really be a presence.
The students - from what I can see/hear, the students this year have been awesome. Why are they shoehorned into a corner? They are the only ones that instill any sense of atmosphere in the game... why not shift them over at least one section closer to the middle, so their energy can impact even more people within the stadium?
I think the single biggest selling point of a college athletic event is the atmosphere. There is nothing in pro sports that can compare to the atmosphere of a college game when the crowd is fully engaged. People should be leaving the stadium after the game thinking, "Wow, I had a blast!" The current atmosphere in the stadium isn't conducive to that kind of a reaction, and it really needs to be addressed.
4) Marketing - it has been said before, but the athletic department's marketing of the team in the past has been abysmal. I don't know enough to talk intelligently about details here, but I do know that it has felt pretty amateurish in the past. I think it is a bit better this year, but they really need to work not just on getting the word out, but doing so in a way that gets people interested in going to a game.
So, what do I think needs to be done? For one, the athletic department should reach out to local news outlets more (or maybe start cultivating the blogger culture if they think that would be more effective). They really, really need to work on the atmosphere in the stadium, especially in the upper deck, and it wouldn't hurt to step up the efforts on marketing the team.
Unfortunately, I think the biggest thing that is needed is time. Every year of success adds to the pool of fans that can go to the game. The team was so bad for so long however that I think it will take several more years of success before the fan base can recover. Unfortunately, I think we'll lose Harbaugh long before that happens... and then... who knows?
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great article
I agree with all the points for the most part
as a current student I notice most students trickle out around halftime. there’s still a good amount left but not as many as there should be-especially for games like the one last night
students are very busy so i do understand people leaving but its very hard to stay the whole time when many friends and others are leaving early
i know we cant tell the school to give less work on home game weekends but something has to change
there are some issues with the Red Zone system in general that a lot of students complain about but that is enough to write another article/fs
by jdcedeno on Nov 7, 2025 10:00 PM PST reply actions
There has always been a segment of the student population that left at halftime - especially if the game was already out of hand. I think that could partly be addressed by making the games more fun to attend though.
Students really leave on a Saturday night to go do homework? Wow… things have changed. At the very least, Saturday night should be for going out and having fun. All work and no play…
by RickeySteals on Nov 7, 2025 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Makes Stanford the most stressful college in the US
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-04-04/the-50-most-stressful-colleges/
by RedOscar on Nov 8, 2025 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Students would try to read in the 6th man, too, a couple years ago
Depressing, depressing. Take a break and enjoy life for an hour or three.
by LPKingsFan on Nov 8, 2025 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Great post.
I’ll post a follow-up on the attendance issue later today, but I thought everyone should see this.
(Not that I ever did, but leaving a miserable game to do homework during the Buddy Teevens/Walt Harris era was excusable.)
by Scott Allen on Nov 8, 2025 7:09 AM PST reply actions
This Saturday
Though I have been attending games over 40 years, even I was shocked that we didn’t have a full house Saturday. I think USC was full only because of their fans. It really is terrible — I don’t know what people want from the team to warrant their attendance.
by Gus Zernial on Nov 8, 2025 9:17 AM PST reply actions
Totally agree.......great post.
Unfortunately I also agree that more time is needed……….and that Stanford may not have that luxury with Coach Harbaugh.
Own the blame Mr Wilson.
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 8, 2025 10:03 AM PST reply actions
Coach's Influence
When Mack Brown was at North Carolina, he coined the rally cry of: “Come early, be loud, stay late, wear blue.” I don’t know what effect it had on the fans of Chapel Hill, but I do know that when he brought the same slogan to Texas (“wear orange” instead of blue, obviously), the fans were really inspired. Whereas before Mack about 1/3 of the fans wore orange, about 1/3 wore white, and the other 1/3 wore just whatever random color they had in their closets, since Mack’s campaign it’s been about 4/5 orange and 1/5 white. On top of that, coming early, being really loud, and staying through the fight song at the end of the game became something “cool” and people began doing it and bragging about it after every game.
Granted, UT is one of the biggest schools in the country with one of the best alumni organizations, and most graduates live within a few hours’ drive to Austin. But if Harbaugh were to come out and publicly encourage fans to come out, be loud, etc., it might help. I don’t know how much, if any, of this he has done (somebody correct me if he has and I’ve missed it). But since I don’t know, it seems like he may be able to put some more energy into it. We know he can get the team fired up; sometimes it takes the coach’s leadership to get the fans fired up as well.
by cardhorn on Nov 8, 2025 12:07 PM PST reply actions
That, and. . .
Good points. Stanford could probably resist the temptation to hire expensive outside consultants and just read this post and the comments . A couple things to add:
1) One other big problem: Parking/traffic. Last season, following the home games vs. Oregon, cal, and ND (our three best home games for building a fan base), people who parked in certain non-season ticket holder lots were stuck for hours, literally, trying to get out because the traffic was so poorly managed. I haven’t heard the same horror stories this year, but I am certain that any less-than-passionate fan who got stuck in one of those lots after UO, cal, or ND last year would prefer to stay home and watch the game on TV this year. Which is unfortunate, because those were golden opportunities to build the base (Big Game result, notwithstanding). Bottom line, it has to be convenient to go to the game. Or, alternatively, it can’t be nightmarishly inconvenient.
2) I am very thankful that Stanford has gotten away from the pyrotechnics and “Bad to the Bone” gimmics that were tried in the first seasons of the new stadium. Obivously, to fill the stadium regularly, the football program has to appeal to more than just Stanford alums. The school’s efforts in this regard have often been sad and desperate (see, e.g., the 4th of July backyard fireworks they used to set up on the “S” at mid-field before the game; drowing out “All Right Now” with ear-splitting decibels of "Bad to the Bone; " or “We Work”). Again, I am happy that nowadays, the school has let the product speak for itself during the games, at least more than before. I guess that doesn’t necessarily put people in the stadium, but neither do “Red Alert” air-raid siren sound effects.
by ccchilly on Nov 8, 2025 1:40 PM PST reply actions
Bear with me, this is long
1) The biggest thing obviously is the combination of the Buddyball/Harris years. That’s five years of football down the drain. Regaining alums in the Bay isn’t too difficult, but regaining the average Joe will take years to do, even with successful teams. They may not have had a connection to the school before, but with a record of 33-60 from 2002 to 2009 (excluding the Sun), all those fans had no reason to watch awful football and left. Now that the football team is good again, those fans already moved on to bigger and better things (re: more connected to them) such as the Giants, the Sharks, the Warriors during their playoff run, and the 49ers. As atrocious as all those teams may be in any given season, they connect better with their fans because of geography as opposed to school affiliation. The diverse Bay Area population with different alma maters certainly doesn’t help the situation for a small private school.
2) The student body population is nowhere near the same as it was in the early 2000s. When Robin Mamlet came in, she changed the student body in such a way as to have an "intellectuals-first" philosophy of admitting students, unlike previous Admission Directors who put a "leadership-potential" emphasis on admission of students. As a result, the student body fundamentally changed such that students no longer feel as connected to athletics as previously in comparison to their studies, especially their research. The last great year for the student experience at an athletic game was probably 2003-04 during the men’s basketball 26-1 season. Ever since, students just haven’t shown as great an interest in athletics, although football attendance by students has gotten much better. One need not look any further than the women’s basketball team, who despite three Final Four appearances in as many years, has failed to draw more than maybe 30 students a game.
2a) I was in Meyer a year or so ago when it started to become apparent this team was something else. I overheard a group of female students talking about how in one of their sections that their TA was asking them if they watched the football game. One of the girls said she didn’t even know the name of the coach ("Herbock?") and that the football team apparently had this really good guy named "Toby Gerrard." When even undergrads can’t name their football coach or Heisman-finalist, there is a fundamental problem with the student population.
2b) If you talk to many (but not all) alums who graduated between ‘03 and ’07, with the latter two classes never seeing a winning season nor a Big Game win (including Stanford’s worst loss to Cal ever), many of those who decide to come to Homecoming openly talk about showing up for only a half or a quarter and a half of the football game.
3) Parking is exponentially horrendous from previous years. Part of that is that most people come in from El Camino/Galvez. Since the athletic department started to charge general parking now for $15 a car (as opposed to free in previous years), that significantly slows down the process of getting on campus. Horror stories of taking 70 minutes to get on campus from 101 to Galvez for USC were abundant, and from what I saw, almost the same situation presented itself for Arizona. After 30 minutes waiting on El Camino for the USC game, I just went to Welsh and took a scenic drive around Campus Loop to get to the Grove.
by RedOscar on Nov 8, 2025 4:34 PM PST reply actions
cont...
4) Coverage is a major issue, but that’s not something that can be changed, either, from a Stanford perspective. While the media relations department can send out as many press releases it wants, ultimately coverage is determined by the provider (Merc, Chron, TV). With the alumni base diluted in the Bay Area compared to Cal’s, in addition to massive layoffs for several news outlets here, news providers naturally will stick with Cal over Stanford. That’s not to say they don’t cover them (Tom Fitzgerald at the Chronicle is an awesome guy if you get the chance to meet him). Unlike the A’s, though, who can’t draw in part because no one knows who’s on the field for any given game, Stanford has now become a "niche" market in the Bay.
5) The Yell Leaders were almost universally loathed by the time they were disbanded a few years ago by the student body. The athletic department-sponsored cheerleaders were supposed to fill the void, but they just never could do it. Axe Comm members have tried to bring back the old Yell Leader craziness, but it hasn’t been the same. As "fun" as it might have been to have the "penetrate" cheer and the infamous "Increase the aggregate yardage!" yell, those days are gone.
6) Moving the student body is an impossibility given Stanford’s donor commitments to mid-field seats and Pac-10 rules forbidding student sections from being anywhere near the opposing team benches. Hence, the corner sections. For design purposes, it worked out alright because now both bands are directly opposite each other as opposed to the same side of the stadium as they were in the early years of the new stadium before Harbaugh moved the team to the shady side. But due to the acoustical design of the stadium (hello Bing Performing Arts Center!), unless you sit in the visitor’s corner of the stadium, you will rarely hear the LSJUMB, and that’s including the larger-than-normal band that shows up for Big Game.
7) Marketing is on a real slippery slope. To be sure, some of the blame falls upon the media relations department for failing to force local news coverage, but marketing has not found a way to hold on to new spectators despite having winning teams. With the athletic department only a few years removed from dire financial straits (solved in part by across-the-board layoffs and a generous donor to the Fencing team) and no Public Relations department, Bowlsby may be forced into making a change in both departments so as to capitalize at least somewhat on the football team’s success after the bowl game.
by RedOscar on Nov 8, 2025 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Coverage can be achieved a number of ways. I have no doubt that the local writers assigned to the team are great (I enjoy reading their work). Coverage means so much more than that though - what about promoting and/or fostering some of the other writers/sites that cover the team? Doing that would build up interest, and interest would beget more traditional media coverage…
I wasn’t around for the politics about the yell leaders (I do know they weren’t too pleased with the formation of the cheerleaders) but I do know that nobody is doing what they did in the past… nobody is trying to get the whole stadium involved in the game. It doesn’t have to be silly cheers - even getting both sides of the stadium to do a Go! Stanford! cheer before each half would be an improvement.
by RickeySteals on Nov 8, 2025 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Agree on all of these points...
I remember when Mamlet started, the personality difference for her first class was immediately noticeable. I thought there was a new dean of admissions now though? No idea if that has affected things one way or the other…
Your comment about the ‘03-’07 alums rings true - that’s part of why I think it will take a long time to rebuild the fan base…
Parking is absolutely a problem, but it is a problem for almost any sports venue in the bay area. Parking at Candlestick, Oakland, Phone Company park, whatever, it is always a pain. It can take a long time to get in, and even longer to get out. Seems like something that could be done about with a little bit of creative work. Alternatively, they athletic department could encourage even more tailgating, which would get more people in the gates earlier…
by RickeySteals on Nov 8, 2025 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
Can't complain about Mamlet too much - she let me in
but there’s been a definite difference in athletic admissions between her and Shaw. In general, though, and in any way that affects interest in athletics? I’m not sure I buy that… but then again I wasn’t there before.
by LPKingsFan on Nov 8, 2025 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Some interesting discussion of the attendance issues...
… in the comments to Wilner’s game grades from Saturday:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/11/08/stanford-football-grading-the-week-19/
by RickeySteals on Nov 9, 2025 3:03 PM PST reply actions
This is a pretty interesting topic,
what with Oregon Basketball going through the same tearing-down/reconstruction, I’ve noticed a significant decrease in the hype surrounding our basketball games. I’ll be at the Farm next year, so hopefully you can show me either a much-improved school spirit, or at least an example of what’s highlighted in this article.
(I can’t imagine the band shrinking though. I’d never tell my director (Oregon Marching Band) this, but it looks like a ridiculous amount of fun!)
BCS stands for Boise Can Suck it. I am naturally a proud supporter of the current BCS system.
by Brass-billed on Dec 3, 2025 1:56 AM PST reply actions

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