Round and Round the Realignment Wheel Goes
If we were in June 2010, this would be a novel blog post. Unfortunately, I don't use the right side of my brain too often, so this isn't particularly original. Thanks to the very eager fans of Texas A&M and their Twitter following fanatics, yet again for the umpteenth time in just over a year, the specter of the Aggies going to the SEC and impending Big 12 dissolution is nigh (is anyone surprised by this?). After coming so close last year to having a Southwest Conference-type collapse, the Big 12, as many of you know, has acted like Wile E. Coyote in those Looney Tunes cartoons: walking on air over the edge of the cliff, not yet having looked down to their impending 400 foot doom. While the Coyote hasn't reached for the "Uh-oh" sign yet, A&M fans keep waiting for the proverbial ACME anvil to drop.
Why does the Guardian over in the UK have a Looney tunes picture?
As it is, though, because of the rumor mongering, he-said/he-said/she-said, reading-between-the-lines of Dan Beebe and Deloss Dodds quotes, and the power of the Twitterverse and social media, people in Texas, Oklahoma, and Missouri are talking about the return of the planned Pac-16. So it got me thinking: do any Stanford fans (or heck, Pac-12 fans) really want the Pac-16 to come to fruition without A&M OR Texas?
Of course, what prompted this discussion in the first place was the "Oh, by the way" announcement by ESPN and UT that they planned on airing high school football games on their Longhorn Network last month (which was nixed by the Big 12). It certainly didn't help, either, that the network made public its desire to get a Big 12 conference football game on its network earlier this summer or that they supposedly offered $5M to Texas Tech to broadcast the Tech-UT football game. What has finally tipped the cup over in favor of realignment happening faster than expected was the revelation of the contract between ESPN and UT. Among the gems found in the contract:
A best effort would be made to show additional Big 12 football games
A best effort would be made to secure the TV rights to air away football games
A best effort would be made to show the Texas State UIL football playoffs, specifically the State Championship(s)
Texas could not partake in any future Big 12/conference network
ESPN is given exclusive negotiating rights with Texas for airing all sporting events for 60 days if UT ever goes independent
Texas has the ability to "censor" (to put it lightly) any broadcasters who do not portray UT in a positive light
As it was written, I certainly sympathize with A&M; alums and supporters as well as the rest of the Big 12. How the conference members allowed it to happen, despite clear signs that it would be detrimental to the Big 12 even back last June, I'll never know. So to that end, I certainly don't blame the Aggies for causing hysteria in Texas and much of the South, clamoring to join the SEC. What I take most issue with is that this is happening less than a month away from kickoff and the start of conference seasons for not only football, but volleyball and soccer, but that's a discussion best left for the comments sections.
Jon Wilner, the West Coast equivalent of Chip Brown when it comes to being so right and so wrong at the same time, laid out recently what might happen if A&M; (or Oklahoma or Missouri) decide they're leaving the Big 12 in the near future. His basic gist? There aren't really any good schools left to take if the Longhorn Network's contract isn't dissolved. Larry Scott already made clear that the network is a clear deterrant for the Pac-12 to invite Texas. Texas, though, was supposed to be the feather in the cap for the Pac-16, while the other schools were going to be the price to pay for including Texas, including the Tier 3 schools of Texas Tech and Oklahoma State.
Does the Pac-12 really want any of the remaining schools in the Big 12 if it collapses? Does it raid the Mountain West? Does it take BYU, despite clear objections from the fans of several Pac-10 schools last year? How about the WAC and Hawaii? Below, I've quickly compiled a list of some of the FBS schools west of the Mississippi that conceivably have as much a chance as anyone to join the Pac-12, assuming A&M and UT aren't available. Do any of them appeal to you?
| Colorado State Boise State UNLV Utah State Wyoming Fresno State SJSU New Mexico State Texas Tech TCU UTSA (FBS in 2013) Missouri Oklahoma State Kansas State Louisiana Tech |
Air Force Academy Hawaii Nevada BYU Idaho San Diego State New Mexico UTEP Baylor Rice Texas State (FBS in 2013) Oklahoma Kansas Iowa State North Texas |
Bruins Nation and CGB already did polls over there recently and the majority of them seemed to favor eastward expansion without UT, but only in the sense that it benefits UCLA and Cal. I'm a little more interested in a broader perspective, so yes, other Pac-12 fans, you're welcome to chime in. From those schools above, do you see the 13th, 14th, and potentially 15th and 16th teams? Take into account that while football is the driving force behind expansion, the conference probably would be reluctant to add football-only members. Feel free to leave your comments below.
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I would never speak for the folks at CGB, but I tend to think that the reaction there to the proposed Pac-12 expansion rumors would also apply to the further expansion. Mainly, that it should be considered very warily, and should only include those schools with academic rigor and intellectual freedom. Fair or not, BYU seemed to fail both those tests. And while a school like Baylor may well be appropriate, I don’t know that Okla State would be.
On a bigger note, I seem to find that the feelings on expansion aren’t as divided along public/private school lines as they are by generation. Younger alumni and current students seem to be much more in favor of adding teams for the sake of adding teams (much as they seem to be much more open to ludicrous uniforms and other publicity stunt antics), while older alumni tend to have more reverence for tradition and history.
I’m not saying one is right, only that the division seems to be generational, rather than institutional.
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by SoCal Oski on Aug 9, 2025 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
I think it greatly depends on the school
Personally speaking, I was adamantly against expansion last summer and I’m a semi-recent alum. Over the course of the past 12 months, though, I can’t say that my feelings are the same, and that I rather like that Utah, and especially Colorado, were added.
That said, judging from that list above, the only ones that I would find any sort of, “Cool!” feelings from would be AFA, Hawaii, and maybe CSU and SJSU. All four of those schools clearly have substantial pitfalls, but I’m still ardently against expansion far past the Continental Divide. It’s too long a distance, too big a footprint, and too many middle of the road academic schools for expansion to be anything exciting now without UT or A&M (and that’s even taking into account new revenues). That’s not to say I can’t be persuaded otherwise, but it would take some substantial marketing on other schools’ parts to convince me right now.
by RedOscar on Aug 10, 2025 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
i tend to think
that expansion without Texas or A&M is probably a bad idea. MAYBE a 2-teamer with Tech and Oklahoma might be interesting, but it doesn’t really appeal to me. Throw Baylor and OK St into that mix and it REALLY doesn’t appeal to me.
by cfn_ms on Aug 9, 2025 1:41 PM PDT reply actions
Why does the Guardian over in the UK have a Looney tunes picture?
It’s not. That’s a pic of British PM David Cameron.
by SWRT on Aug 9, 2025 1:45 PM PDT reply actions
Being a big UT fan (Stanford also)
I would love for UT to join the Pac12. Oklahoma, a&m and okie state would probably follow. If anything were to happen though, UT would consider going independent, and the Pac12 is probably second on their list.
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by dolger14 on Aug 10, 2025 9:51 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I have a feeling the only way the Pac would accept Texas now is if Texas abandons their network - particularly given the revenue deals Larry Scott has negotiated for the member schools.
Since there is no way Texas keeps their network and joins the Pac-12, and no way Texas gives up their network, it looks like they will be indie.
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by SoCal Oski on Aug 10, 2025 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The Pac 12 already has regional TV packages
Couldn’t the LHN be modified to become a similar regional package encompassing UT-Tech, or UT-Tech-OU-OSU ?
I believe OU is interested. They were set to join the SEC last year until the Pac offered to take OSU in a package deal.
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
by Terra Clepta on Aug 12, 2025 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
The conference would have to buy out the remainder of the LHN's contract
And no school is worth $300 million or however much ESPN and UT came to an agreement on.
That or UT would have to find a way to dissolve the contract. Even rebranding the network into a “Pac-whatever Texas” network, if ESPN is still on the hook, then it becomes a conference with eight independent networks and one network owned by someone else, which isn’t ideal under any business plan.
by RedOscar on Aug 12, 2025 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions

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