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The Pac-12 is here, and to ring in the new conference, we're going to take a look at the schools of the Pac-12 and share some interesting facts and history.  Today we'll look at the University of Utah.

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Established: 1850
First Football Season: 1892
Varsity Sports: 17
Football Stadium (built/capacity): Rice-Eccles Stadium* (1998/45,017)
Basketball/multipurpose Stadium (built/capacity): Jon M. Huntsman Center (opened as Special Events Center in 1969/15,000)
Football Conference championships (Claimed National Championships): 24 (0)
Total NCAA Team Championships (last): 21 (2003, Skiing)
Most Successful Team Sport: Women's Gymnastics (10 national championships, consistent top-5 finisher, only school to qualify for NCAA championships in every year of existence, won 22 of 25 attendance records for women's gymnastics, one of the highest draws for a women's sporting event in the country)

*Utes Stadium opened in 1927 in the original location of R-E Stadium.  When Salt Lake City was awarded the 2002 Winter Olympics, Rice Stadium was completely demolished a la Stanford Stadium immediately after their game against Rice and rebuilt within 10 months.  The only portion of the stadium remaining from the old Rice Stadium are the South endzone seats, built in 1982.

Did you know?  The Utes have a unique place in national history as being the first (and only) school to have produced a No.1 draft pick in the NFL and NBA in the same year, with Alex Smith and Andrew Bogut respectively.  But of importance to Stanford fans is how the Utes played a key role in the history of Stanford University and Stanford Athletics.

On October 17, 1989, a 6.9 earthquake rattled the Bay Area, resulting in several deaths and almost a billion dollars in damage to property.  Most people remember the earthquake for delaying the Battle of the Bay World Series by almost two weeks.  When baseball returned, though, it wasn't the first sporting event held in the Bay Area since the earthquake.  Four days after the tremor, Stanford was scheduled to play Utah in a home game at Stanford Stadium.  Nervous about the potential for aftershocks as well as the ability to actually hold the game in a shell-shocked region, university administrators from both Stanford and Utah as well as conference officials met hastily to determine whether or not the game would be canceled, moved to Salt Lake, or postponed until a later date.  After an inspection of Stanford Stadium revealed no structural damage, all parties agreed to keep the game at Stanford Stadium and use it as a sign that life was moving on for Bay Area residents.

When the game kicked off that bright Saturday afternoon, jittery residents were reluctant to attend.  It supposedly took until halftime for the attendance figure to reach five digits.  While much of the university was concerned with damage to other buildings around campus (notably Old Chem and Memorial Church), the football game did serve its purpose, at least on campus, of helping students and staff forget the events of only four days earlier.  Even though the game was a 24-27 loss for the Cardinal, the Utah-Stanford football game was unofficially the first football game and arguably the first major sporting event to take place after the earthquake.

General Pointers for joining your new conference:
Welcome, Utah! As with Colorado, you've provided a much needed shot in the arm to this conference. Your time out West with us will be fun and interesting to see, considering that you're pretty much the first school from a non-AQ conference that actually was good in football making the jump to a BCS conference. You've already embarassed several Pac-10 teams in the past (including Stanford in the late-80s), as you pointed out all this past week. As Colorado heard earlier, the ten teams of the Pac-10 have a lot of history between them despite having known each other for 33 years (comparatively short in college athletics terms), but that doesn't mean that we don't have room for two more at our table. To that end, here's some do's and don'ts for enjoying your time in the Conference of Champions.

DO cultivate a rivalry with Colorado. Seriously, they can be vicious. No other school is going to take them as a rival, and they've already turned their attention West to you all. It would be in your best interests to reciprocate the feelings, or failing that, get back in the bad blood of the Arizona schools.

DO NOT attempt to start new rivalries with any California or Northwest school in football. It won't work. Those eight schools have too much history between them to allow an interloper into their various rivalries. We know some of you want to start a "rivalry" with USC. We will laugh when you realize that it's just not going to happen. Not in football or any other sport. This is otherwise known as the "non-Pac-8" rule. Ask Arizona and ASU for clarification if you're confused.

DO become competitive in other sports not named football. When I was looking up records for Pac-12 sports that feature all 12 teams, your records were by far some of the worst. Arguably, you're worse than Washington State (sorry Wazzu fans). That needs to be corrected pronto. Mediocrity just doesn't cut it for long here.

DO NOT become the Nero of the West, just so happy to be in a BCS conference that you neglect everything else around you. We can excuse the occasional losing team. We can't excuse lack of effort or support (but we can laugh at it at times).

DO allow yourself to think of yourself as one of the "big boys" now. You're in a BCS conference now, on track to being a full-revenue sharing member in just four years. Having a little bravado and a puffed up chest can sometimes be a good thing.

DO NOT let it get to your head. Large egos are a problem in the conference right now for some schools. You'll see what we mean on September 10th.

DO enjoy your new sites (and sights). Despite the west coast traditionally being viewed as a tad more liberal politically, you'll discover there is a wide breadth of cultures across the conference, and sometimes in the same school. Diversity is good!

DO NOT get offended when the LSJUMB finally meets up with you, whether its in football or basketball. Heaven help you all if they are ever allowed in Rice-Eccles Stadium. It'll probably be worse than their BYU show a few years ago, so prepare yourselves and know its all just in jest in the end. And if you do get offended, take a number, have a seat, and they'll call you to the window when your number is called.

DO continue your traditions! The Crazy Lady of Utah should not be tamed just because she's danced her way into the Pac-12. She might have her jumbotron time reduced for a Pac-12 advert, but she and the MUSS are some of the most unique traditions Utah has to offer to the Pac-12.

DO NOT come into the conference with the expectations that you'll be competing for Rose Bowl appearances any time soon. Arizona's been in the conference for 32 years and still has never seen Pasadena in early January. Oregon State, while it won the conference a decade ago, was bumped to another BCS bowl because of poll craziness (which you all should be aware of), denying them their first Rose Bowl appearance in 30+ years. And if you really want to see mediocrity at work, ask Cal fans why they haven't been to a Rose Bowl since 1959 (make sure and wear your 2005 Fiesta Bowl shirts while asking it, too).

DO enjoy your new conference! It's a historical shift for you all, and all Utahans should be proud.

But finally, for the love of all that is good and holy DO NOT treat BYU as your rival. Nothing will fast track you to conference also-ran quicker than bringing up BYU as you all have continually done this past year. Seriously, give it a rest. If they bait you, bite your lip. If they taunt you, look the other way. If they try to say they're better off than you, just roll your eyes. The worst thing that a Ute fan can do is bring up your precious "Zoobs" in any week other than the week you play the Cougars. You'll be looked down at as the kid we invited to sit at the adults' table for Thanksgiving and then proceed to make a fool of yourself for the rest of the meal. BYU is gone. Dun. Past. History. Your attention is the Pac-12. Let them deal with their ESPN-fed football schedule and WAC opponents on their own. I cannot stress to you how much this step is crucial. We did not invite them to the Pac-12, so don't bring them up incessantly.

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Thanks for the welcome!

Just one little quibble, about the “mediocrity” and records for Pac-12 sports other than football. Utah’s basketball tradition is very rich, more-so than any team in the conference save for UCLA, and maybe Arizona. They were rated in the top-20 all time basketball programs by ESPN/Sagarin, ahead of every Pac-12 school except UCLA. Utah also has the best gymnastics team in the Pac-12 and a solid history with womens soccer, baseball and skiing. And to say that Utah wont be competing for a Rose Bowl from the beginning is just flat out wrong, the last 20 years have shown that Utah is willing to do whatever it takes to reach the highest point it possibly can (within the limitations of the BCS, especially as a previous non-AQ). The Pac-12 should be respectful of what the Utes have accomplished in just the last 8 years or so in football, winning 2 BCS trophies with BY FAR few resources than the BCS conferences. They should also expect that the Utes will gladly take advantage of all the doors that the Pac-12 membership will open, including the massive increase in $$$. The Utes will be competing for a division and conference championship soon (especially with all the problems with USC and relative mediocrity of the current South Division). We’ll happily wear our Fiesta Bowl and Sugar Bowl champions shirts and hope to add more BCS bowl trophies to our case and the Pac-12 list.

Having said that, I agree with the rest of your points and the sooner we remove BYU from our consciousness the better. We’re ready for the weekly grind of Pac-12 football and the overall competitiveness of this new wonderful conference. It may take 5, 10 years or more to really become integrated but the University of Utah WILL find its spot in the Pac-12 as one of the champions.

by bernymac on Jul 1, 2025 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Top 3 games I care about: Colorado, Arizona, Arizona St.

I look forwart to building a Mtn/Desert region rivalry. If I had it my way, each of the 3 pods in the conference should compete for a trophy. Best team in the pod takes the trophy home and adds a year to a plaque on their wall.

Also, I would make the Colorado rivalry permanently on Friday and permanently a blackout game. This would borrow from the rich tradition of Colorado playing on Friday after Thanksgiving, and supplement it with a new image at the same time. It would be the “Black Friday” game fighting for the “continental divide” trophy.

The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that St Larry soon would be there. -Maji Man

by daedalus17 on Jul 1, 2025 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

You do realize that Colorado wears Black and Gold right?

Therefore rendering your “Black Friday” game against Colorado completely idiotic.

by 11FootballFan on Jul 2, 2025 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You do realize that black and gold is different than black and red right?

The inability to understand that difference would be idiotic.

The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that St Larry soon would be there. -Maji Man

by daedalus17 on Jul 2, 2025 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The difference is that Colorado wears black all the time

Why make it feel like a home game for them? I’m not opposed to a black out game, just don’t do it against Colorado.

by 11FootballFan on Jul 3, 2025 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I consider black and white as two colors that are fair game.

Any team can use those two colors. This EA sports promo has Utah wearing black against Colorado.

The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that St Larry soon would be there. -Maji Man

by daedalus17 on Jul 5, 2025 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great advice

Am I weird to hope the LSJUMB smacks us so hard we can’t get rid of our O face?

Only point I disagree with is the part about contending for the Rose Bowl. Here is why:
1) Contending is different than going. I hope we are at least regularly in the hunt.
2) Dynamics of contending change with 6 team divisions. I would call any team that has a shot at winning their division in November as contending. I think we can do this on a regular basis, but so can most other P12 teams.

The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that St Larry soon would be there. -Maji Man

by daedalus17 on Jul 1, 2025 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

yes you are weird, and should be flogged at the suggestion
we’d loan them out to you in an instant, but apparently even a ban in 2006 on all away games wouldn’t stop them from showing up in Berkeley that year.
that and you always look better when they’re around.

"Our hearts shall sing and our voices ring for the dear old Blue and Gold!"

by Joe Bandsmen on Jul 2, 2025 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

So pretentious

Should we expect Stanford to talk down to another university in the new Pac-12, at the first opportunity? The Utes plebeian status ended today. Utah fans, athletes, students, etc. need take advice from no one, so take your suggestions and shove ’em.

by IamAUtahMan on Jul 1, 2025 2:43 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Get use to it

It’s never going to change and they do it to everyone.

by ev on Jul 1, 2025 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch! Someone seems like a Grumper McGrumpyface today.

"Thanks. Go Bears!" - Ernest Owusu: the next great Cal DE

by SoCal Oski on Jul 1, 2025 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

If you are going to get grumpy over this, just wait till the band shows up.

by ev on Jul 1, 2025 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

*whoosh*
DO NOT attempt to start new rivalries with any California or Northwest school in football. It won’t work.

by RedOscar on Jul 1, 2025 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I like reading all the BYU stuff

It spices things up. Those BYU folks blame us (and Cal) for blocking their entry to the conference anyway, so I may as well enjoy all the vitriol the results when anybody mentions them. We hardly ever get that much excitement from our actual rivals.

Besides, I don’t think it’s up to us to tell Utah how to behave. They seem like they have a decent handle on things. Have you checked out their Operation Millie on utefans? Good stuff.

by RobberBaron on Jul 1, 2025 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

*that

Ugh, I hate having to correct my own grammar.

by RobberBaron on Jul 1, 2025 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

all right now

by Anonymous IV at Mono Lake on Jul 1, 2025 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will give Utah fans this

They more than backed us up in the opinion of not even considering BYU.

That said, this was more of a “suggestion” of how to come into the league. I don’t believe any of them were particularly outrageous or outlandish.

by RedOscar on Jul 1, 2025 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

interesting reads

thanks for putting together the series

by cfn_ms on Jul 1, 2025 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks, Trees!

I have been enrolled in programs at both Utah and Stanford, and am very happy that this is happening. Just thought you should know that this article was linked and discussed A LOT today at utefans.net. (That’s the most active fan site—Block U gets a lot of support there.) I think folks generally agree with this on all points. It was solid and totally appropriate.

Football this season should be interesting. Completely honestly, the Utes appear to be in a bit of a down year. Completely new offense, RBs and DBs. D’s front seven will be solid, but our QB has yet to pass out of Chow’s pro set. Struggles in the run game could mean tough times passing, which could mean lower production than under the spread. I don’t think there will be a lot of blowouts but Utah fans who have been paying attention won’t be walking around picking fights. I expect us to drop some games and surprise in some games. We have been overachieving on a shoestring for years and we have a lot of adjustments to make before we get the operation to full steam. No one’s just happy to be here, but we know we’ve got a challenge ahead. Give us some slack this year. We think we’re up to it. Soon.

Go PAC-12!

by wrightaboutit on Jul 1, 2025 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Pac-12

Feel like the new kid in high school.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Jul 2, 2025 12:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Other sports & TDS

Your comment on Utah’s other sports is one I’ve been afraid of. Our “other” teams will likely be red headed step children for awhile. Our baseball team has a weather handicap of having to play their first month on the road due to weather in SLC. Other teams such as swimming are far from where they will need to be. Only good news is money and our new affiliation should help us but your assertion is correct, we will be far behind.

On the last paragraph, I can only wish all Ute fans would take this to heart.

by Big Kahuna on Jul 2, 2025 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Fine Effort, I give it a 9.75

An excellent series. I enjoyed reading about all of our new conference neighbors and their rich traditions and histories.

Certainly, Utah cannot hope to compete in all sports with the cream of the rest of the Pac. We will come out strong with football and gymnastics and our AD can be counted on to do all he can to upgrade everything else as soon as possible. Thanks for the mucho new bucks. Even the crumbs for this year doubles what we were getting before so we will improve on all fronts.

I personally agree with you on the status of our BYU rivalry. While there are deep cultural factors that color it (we don’t call it the Holy War just because it makes a nice headline) a lot of us think it will begin to fade since we no long share a conference. And renewing one with CU after a 50 year absence should be entertaining. Also smack talking to the Arizona schools after 33 years will be welcome.

We join you all happily and look forward to being a full, contributing member of the Conference of Champions.

Oh and you can get uppity about a skiing championship when you have a team. Otherwise, just sit quietly and drink your cocoa.

by U of Uman on Jul 4, 2025 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

"DO continue your traditions!"

Of all the traditions celebrated at the U, none rest in my heart as high as smiling after Utah beats BYU. I know you and many Utes want those days to pass—and pass quickly. But almost ALL of my most favorite U moments have included BYU.

That’s the irony. As much as I would love for them to disappear, I would so dearly miss beating them. Because Utah/BYU is more than a bitter sports rivalry. It’s more than, “Those guys beat us in a sporting match some years ago and it was unfortunate enough to get me rowled up!”…. No. It’s a cultural dispute. It’s an argument over who should be president. It’s a fight over basic rights. It decides who we should be as a people. It’s a divide that transcends sports, but the field is where this tension gets played out.

Some people don’t like this. Often Utah fans don’t like that their team is hijacked to defend seemingly one person’s outlook on life. But to ignore that Utah and BYU’s rivalry goes beyond just sports is to ignore the cultural fabric of Utah, and that the shape of that fabric is the main source of this rivalry. It did not come from a “big game”. It did not come from years of playing each other. It did not come from knocking each other out of title spots… It comes from the heart of Utah. It comes from the dichotomy of Utah’s culture.

I was born a Ute fan. Not because my Dad went there. Not because my Uncles went there. Not because my Grandma went there. And not even because I went there…. But because I came to be a person who did not fit in with the type of person who later becomes a BYU fan. They are a certain breed. And that breed is about as opposite from me as one could get.

So I appreciate and understand your viewpoint. And even that of many of my fellow Utes. But playing and hating BYU is one of the oldest traditions in the U’s repertoire. I might make an argument that I hated BYU before I was a U fan…. BYU is the U’s rival. And that’s not going to change until something much deeper happens in Utah… until Utah changes itself.

by Doxastic on Jul 5, 2025 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow! A Stanford is giving advice on how to not be an also-ran.

What you are saying is Utah isn’t good enough for a rivalry with any schools in Cali or the northwest, but we need to act like the asshole neighbors don’t exist. I don’t live amongst
Colorado fans. I don’t avoid spending tax dollars in Boulder because I hate the people there. In fact, the only person in Arizona that I hate is that prick Max Hall. When Utah was invited to the PAC 12 zoobs became bigger jerks. They will tell you independence was a better option with a straight face. I know who I want to beat every year, save the sermon for some other fan base. To the Utah fan that would like to act like a big bad BCS team, please don’t forget where you came from.

by youknowwhoyouare on Jul 5, 2025 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

What you are saying is Utah isn’t good enough for a rivalry with any schools in Cali or the northwest

Quite frankly, yes. Not a single one of the Pac-8 will dislike you in football for continued periods of time like they do each other. No one could even muster up outrage at ASU when they played for the national championship in the mid-’90s.

Ask any Arizona or ASU fan — they’ve felt the outcasts in football since they came in the league. Basketball and baseball, not so much, but football has been pretty irrelevant for everyone else outside of Arizona for the most part. They’ve hated on programs in the Pac-8 before (ahem, USC, UCLA, and UW come to mind immediately), but none of those schools gave more than a parting glance to them after they played in most years. Unless they were spat on/soda poured on them/cursed out by the fans/had bottles thrown at them/rocks heaved from who knows where from the Arizona Zoo. That’s about the only time people take notice in California and the Northwest for an extended period of time.

by RedOscar on Jul 5, 2025 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...

what happens when Utah starts winning conference championships (the cocky zealot in me demands I say “when,” while my inner realist wants me to say “if”, but I’m positive by nature and I fully believe Utah is capable—and will become more capable every year—of winning in all sports)? Won’t the “undeserving upstart” coming in and winning championships engender some bad blood from the “old guard”? Are you honestly going to tell me that you won’t grow to hate, and rather rapidly too, a winning Utah?

Other than that, great write up! I’m definitely a Ute of the opinion that it’s time to leave BYU behind. It was a rivalry born out of the haves vs. the have-nots, the sanctimonious vs. the humble, the mainstream vs. the fringe, the conservative vs. the liberal and the LDS vs. everyone else in the state (ie, the outcasts), and it served its purpose, but it’s a purpose no longer relevant. The University of Utah may always be relatively cash-strapped, shafted by the local media and spat upon by a certain demographic of under-educated Zoob alumnists, but being a member of the Pac-12 will help to redress two of those wrongs, while the third just doesn’t matter much anymore.

by -FeloniousMonk on Jul 7, 2025 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with Red Oscar. I’m sure fans from the traditional Pac-8 schools can learn to hate Utah, especially if you were to win some football championships and be obnoxious about it. (Although I don’t recall anyone getting particularly upset when ASU won the conference championship.) But I don’t think that’s quite the same as a rivalry. We’ve been playing Stanford since 1892, and most of the other Pac-8 schools for more than 100 years. And our rivalries extend far beyond football. Cal and Stanford have competed regularly for decades for national championships in dozens of sports, along with other Pac-8 schools. As an example, the Cal-Washington men’s crew rivalry goes back to 1903, and is only equaled by Harvard-Yale, as the greatest crew rivalry in the country. There are generations of competitions, traditions and stories between those schools that have grown up organically. Those kinds of rivalries can’t happen overnight. There are plenty of schools in other conferences that I dislike for one reason or another, but that doesn’t make them rivals. I still don’t regard the Arizona schools as “rivals” the way I do the old Pac-8 schools. That said, I do welcome Utah to the conference, and hope that it is a good fit for you.

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by CalBear81 on Jul 8, 2025 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get what you guys are saying,

and I agree. Rivalries are about more than just hate or jealousy. As much as I’d like to leave BYU behind and immediately start rivalry-ing with CU or another Pac-12 school, it just ain’t going to happen overnight. BYU will always be our rival, the weight of history is just too massive, but it will become less important/intense (for Utah, at least) as the years go by and succeeding generations grow up with different experiences.

I envision certain rivalries growing on a sport by sport basis—for example, I believe Utah and UCLA will become rivals in women’s gymnastics—but I can’t honestly see us as a hated rival, school-wide, for any of the Pac-8. I do, however, think that Utah, CU, UA and ASU will form a series of interconnected “Pac-4” rivalries. I don’t think UA and ASU fully appreciate just how good Utah and CU joining is for them. Now the Pac has three natural geographic “sub-divisions,” each with four schools: Northwest, California and Intermountain/Southwest.

Bottomline, I believe that Utah will be in the mix consistently enough for some of the old guard to grow sick of us. It all begins Sept. 10th. when our guys walk out of the Coliseum with a win.Also, we’re known to be a particularly “class-less” fanbase, so you’ll hate us plenty enough even if you don’t hate our teams. :D

by -FeloniousMonk on Jul 9, 2025 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's A Bingo!

Trust me, even you coming in and popping off like some d-bag like this isn’t enough to create a genuine rivalry with the California schools.

Cal, Stanford, USC, and Ucla have about 100 years of history - nearly continuous history at that - in each permutation. The Arizonas have been in the conference for about 30 years, and they are considered a mild, temporary annoyance.

You guys don’t even rate a blip on the radar. Accept it. We have.

"Thanks. Go Bears!" - Ernest Owusu: the next great Cal DE

by SoCal Oski on Jul 6, 2025 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

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